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  In article &lt;7495.2808A...@stjhmc.fidonet.org&gt; Jackson.Hard...@f857.n681.z3.fidonet.org (Jackson Harding) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;JC&gt; From: j...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;JC&gt; s...@ais.org (Stephen Landman) wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; &gt; igerr...@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; &gt;&gt; Could anyone out ther give me some information on Lou Gherig&#039;s [sic] &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; &gt;&gt; disease? &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; &gt; It is fatal, with death coming 2 to 5 years after diagnosis. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; Isn&#039;t this what Stephen Hawking&#039;s got? &#160;He&#039;s lasted quite a &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; lot longer &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; than that. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;It is indeed what Stephen Hawking&#039;s has and he has defied the odds by remining &lt;br /&gt; &gt;alive for some considerable time. &#160;Some have said that the supreme being is &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Lou Gherig&#039;s disease or ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis) is basically a &lt;br /&gt; clinical diagnosis, and thus probably a spectrum of neuromuscular disease &lt;br /&gt; entities. &#160;There have been documented cases of survival &gt; 7 yrs, at which &lt;br /&gt; point other labels are put on the disease, a favorite being atypical &lt;br /&gt; ALS (!-). &#160;Then there are other related diseases that look like ALS, &lt;br /&gt; such as spinal muscular atrophy, PLS, etc. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Edison Wong &lt;br /&gt; -- &lt;br /&gt; - - &#160; &#160;0 0 &#160; &#160;o o &lt;br /&gt; &#160;&#124; &#160; &#160; &#160;&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160;&gt; &lt;br /&gt; === &#160; &#160;&lt;=&gt; &#160; &#160;\_/ &lt;br /&gt; Inquiring minds want to know: &#160;just how did he do that??? &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;7495.2808A&#8230;@stjhmc.fidonet.org&gt; <a href="mailto:Jackson.Hard...@f857.n681.z3.fidonet.org">Jackson.Hard&#8230;@f857.n681.z3.fidonet.org</a> (Jackson Harding) writes: <br /> 
<p>&gt;JC&gt; From: <a href="mailto:j...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk">j&#8230;@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk</a> (Jack Campin)  </p>
<p>&gt;JC&gt; <a href="mailto:s...@ais.org">s&#8230;@ais.org</a> (Stephen Landman) wrote: <br /> &gt;JC&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:igerr...@eagle.wesleyan.edu">igerr&#8230;@eagle.wesleyan.edu</a> writes: <br /> &gt;JC&gt; &gt;&gt; Could anyone out ther give me some information on Lou Gherig&#8217;s [sic] <br /> &gt;JC&gt; &gt;&gt; disease? <br /> &gt;JC&gt; &gt; It is fatal, with death coming 2 to 5 years after diagnosis. <br /> &gt;JC&gt; <br /> &gt;JC&gt; Isn&#8217;t this what Stephen Hawking&#8217;s got? &nbsp;He&#8217;s lasted quite a <br /> &gt;JC&gt; lot longer <br /> &gt;JC&gt; than that. <br /> &gt;It is indeed what Stephen Hawking&#8217;s has and he has defied the odds by remining <br /> &gt;alive for some considerable time. &nbsp;Some have said that the supreme being is </p>
<p>Lou Gherig&#8217;s disease or ALS (Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis) is basically a <br /> clinical diagnosis, and thus probably a spectrum of neuromuscular disease <br /> entities. &nbsp;There have been documented cases of survival &gt; 7 yrs, at which <br /> point other labels are put on the disease, a favorite being atypical <br /> ALS (!-). &nbsp;Then there are other related diseases that look like ALS, <br /> such as spinal muscular atrophy, PLS, etc.  </p>
<p>Edison Wong <br /> &#8212; <br /> &#8211; - &nbsp; &nbsp;0 0 &nbsp; &nbsp;o o <br /> &nbsp;| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&gt; <br /> === &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;=&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;\_/ <br /> Inquiring minds want to know: &nbsp;just how did he do that??? </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;In article &lt;1991Apr15.035832.27...@beach.csulb.edu&gt; siche...@beach.csulb.edu (Jeff Sicherman) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160;Is it possible to make a *definitive* diagnosis of ALS prior to post-mortem &lt;br /&gt; &gt;(unlike Alzheimers) ? If not, could he have some other rare but similar disease &lt;br /&gt; &gt;that essentially mimics ALS but doesn&#039;t have the same (rate of) progression ? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160;If he does have it, how rare is his survival ? Is there variation in the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;tendency or rate at which vital organs are affected that would explain his &lt;br /&gt; &gt;long survival ? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Motor neuron disease is extremely variable. &#160;While the average patient &lt;br /&gt; is dead at 5 years, many are extremely slowly progressive and the &lt;br /&gt; patients go on for many years. &#160;The slow varient is not at all uncommon. &lt;br /&gt; The diagnosis of Alzheimer&#039;s can be made pre-mortem by brain biopsy. &lt;br /&gt; However, brain biopsy is not a procedure that most doctors or patients &lt;br /&gt; like to use. &#160;Motor neuron disease is much easier to diagnose and &lt;br /&gt; can probably be done with about 90% certainty or better by clinical &lt;br /&gt; picture coupled with electrophysiologic evidence (and sometimes &lt;br /&gt; muscle/nerve biopsy). &#160; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;1991Apr15.035832.27&#8230;@beach.csulb.edu&gt; <a href="mailto:siche...@beach.csulb.edu">siche&#8230;@beach.csulb.edu</a> (Jeff Sicherman) writes: <br /> &gt; &nbsp;Is it possible to make a *definitive* diagnosis of ALS prior to post-mortem <br /> &gt;(unlike Alzheimers) ? If not, could he have some other rare but similar disease <br /> &gt;that essentially mimics ALS but doesn&#8217;t have the same (rate of) progression ?  </p>
<p>&gt; &nbsp;If he does have it, how rare is his survival ? Is there variation in the <br /> &gt;tendency or rate at which vital organs are affected that would explain his <br /> &gt;long survival ? </p>
<p>Motor neuron disease is extremely variable. &nbsp;While the average patient <br /> is dead at 5 years, many are extremely slowly progressive and the <br /> patients go on for many years. &nbsp;The slow varient is not at all uncommon. <br /> The diagnosis of Alzheimer&#8217;s can be made pre-mortem by brain biopsy. <br /> However, brain biopsy is not a procedure that most doctors or patients <br /> like to use. &nbsp;Motor neuron disease is much easier to diagnose and <br /> can probably be done with about 90% certainty or better by clinical <br /> picture coupled with electrophysiologic evidence (and sometimes <br /> muscle/nerve biopsy). &nbsp; </p>
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  In article &lt;7495.2808A...@stjhmc.fidonet.org&gt; Jackson.Hard...@f857.n681.z3.fidonet.org (Jackson Harding) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt;JC&gt; From: j...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;JC&gt; s...@ais.org (Stephen Landman) wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; &gt; igerr...@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; &gt;&gt; Could anyone out ther give me some information on Lou Gherig&#039;s [sic] &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; &gt;&gt; disease? &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; &gt; It is fatal, with death coming 2 to 5 years after diagnosis. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; Isn&#039;t this what Stephen Hawking&#039;s got? &#160;He&#039;s lasted quite a &lt;br /&gt; ~r&gt;JC&gt; lot longer &lt;br /&gt; &gt;JC&gt; than that. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;It is indeed what Stephen Hawking&#039;s has and he has defied the odds by remining &lt;br /&gt; &gt;alive for some considerable time. &#160;Some have said that the supreme being is &lt;br /&gt; &gt;making him suffer for all those nasty things he&#039;s said about Him not existing. &#160; &lt;br /&gt; &gt;I, like the good Professor himself don&#039;t belive in Him, he&#039;s just lucky I &lt;br /&gt; &gt;guess. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&#160; Is it possible to make a *definitive* diagnosis of ALS prior to post-mortem &lt;br /&gt; (unlike Alzheimers) ? If not, could he have some other rare but similar disease &lt;br /&gt; that essentially mimics ALS but doesn&#039;t have the same (rate of) progression ? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160; If he does have it, how rare is his survival ? Is there variation in the &lt;br /&gt; tendency or rate at which vital organs are affected that would explain his &lt;br /&gt; long survival ? &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt;JC&gt; From: <a href="mailto:j...@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk">j&#8230;@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk</a> (Jack Campin) <br /> 
<p>&gt;JC&gt; <a href="mailto:s...@ais.org">s&#8230;@ais.org</a> (Stephen Landman) wrote: <br /> &gt;JC&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:igerr...@eagle.wesleyan.edu">igerr&#8230;@eagle.wesleyan.edu</a> writes: <br /> &gt;JC&gt; &gt;&gt; Could anyone out ther give me some information on Lou Gherig&#8217;s [sic] <br /> &gt;JC&gt; &gt;&gt; disease? <br /> &gt;JC&gt; &gt; It is fatal, with death coming 2 to 5 years after diagnosis. <br /> &gt;JC&gt; <br /> &gt;JC&gt; Isn&#8217;t this what Stephen Hawking&#8217;s got? &nbsp;He&#8217;s lasted quite a <br /> ~r&gt;JC&gt; lot longer <br /> &gt;JC&gt; than that.  </p>
<p>&gt;It is indeed what Stephen Hawking&#8217;s has and he has defied the odds by remining <br /> &gt;alive for some considerable time. &nbsp;Some have said that the supreme being is <br /> &gt;making him suffer for all those nasty things he&#8217;s said about Him not existing. &nbsp; <br /> &gt;I, like the good Professor himself don&#8217;t belive in Him, he&#8217;s just lucky I <br /> &gt;guess. </p>
<p>&nbsp; Is it possible to make a *definitive* diagnosis of ALS prior to post-mortem <br /> (unlike Alzheimers) ? If not, could he have some other rare but similar disease <br /> that essentially mimics ALS but doesn&#8217;t have the same (rate of) progression ?  </p>
<p>&nbsp; If he does have it, how rare is his survival ? Is there variation in the <br /> tendency or rate at which vital organs are affected that would explain his <br /> long survival ? </p>
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