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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;&#160;RT&gt; From: tur...@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) &lt;br /&gt; &#160;RT&gt; Even if they were implicated, you cannot ban tryptophan entirely. &lt;br /&gt; &#160;RT&gt; Tryptophan is essential. &#160;If you do not eat it, you shrivel up &lt;br /&gt; &#160;RT&gt; and die. &#160;(I do not know what the symptoms are of tryptophan &lt;br /&gt; &#160;RT&gt; deficiency, but given all the proteins of which tryptophan is &lt;br /&gt; &#160;RT&gt; part, they cannot be pleasant.) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I believe that you would first see pellagra-type symptoms. &#160;One of the &#160; &lt;br /&gt; metabolic pathways of Trp is to nicotinic acid, and according to one text this &#160; &lt;br /&gt; conversion supplies 50% of the daily requirement for nicotinamide. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- &#160; &lt;br /&gt; Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!asuvax!stjhmc!115!778.1!Eric.Bohlman &lt;br /&gt; Internet: Eric.Bohl...@p1.f778.n115.z1.fidonet.org &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp;RT&gt; From: <a href="mailto:tur...@cs.utexas.edu">tur&#8230;@cs.utexas.edu</a> (Russell Turpin) <br /> &nbsp;RT&gt; Even if they were implicated, you cannot ban tryptophan entirely. <br /> &nbsp;RT&gt; Tryptophan is essential. &nbsp;If you do not eat it, you shrivel up <br /> &nbsp;RT&gt; and die. &nbsp;(I do not know what the symptoms are of tryptophan <br /> &nbsp;RT&gt; deficiency, but given all the proteins of which tryptophan is <br /> &nbsp;RT&gt; part, they cannot be pleasant.)  </p>
<p>I believe that you would first see pellagra-type symptoms. &nbsp;One of the &nbsp; <br /> metabolic pathways of Trp is to nicotinic acid, and according to one text this &nbsp; <br /> conversion supplies 50% of the daily requirement for nicotinamide.  </p>
<p>&#8211; &nbsp; <br /> Uucp: &#8230;{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!asuvax!stjhmc!115!778.1!Eric.Bohlman <br /> Internet: <a href="mailto:Eric.Bohl...@p1.f778.n115.z1.fidonet.org">Eric.Bohl&#8230;@p1.f778.n115.z1.fidonet.org</a> </p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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  In article &lt;17229.26345...@stjhmc.fidonet.org&gt; STEVE.POS...@f106.n207.z1.fidonet.org (STEVE POSSON) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;Ray, be a little more critical of where your information is comming from. Your &lt;br /&gt; &gt;health food store is in the business of selling their product. They have no &lt;br /&gt; &gt;responsibility to their customers except to keep them happy and keep themselves &lt;br /&gt; &gt;in the black and out of court. The FDA will play it safe for the most part, in &lt;br /&gt; &gt;matters of the kind we are talking about. When in doubt, talk to a competent &lt;br /&gt; &gt;medical professional that has your interests at heart. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;-=-SP &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!asuvax!stjhmc!207!106!STEVE.POSSON &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Internet: STEVE.POS...@f106.n207.z1.fidonet.org &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;My doctor recommended I take between 1 and 2 grams a day if I felt depressed. &lt;br /&gt; This was exactly three weeks before the tryptophane scare made the headlines. &lt;br /&gt; My doctor now says don&#039;t take it. &#160;Things can flip-flop back and forth &lt;br /&gt; pretty dramatically no matter who you talk to. &#160;So when in doubt, talk to &lt;br /&gt; a competent medical professional.....and then pray that they are right or that &lt;br /&gt; they know what is going on or that they didn&#039;t graduate last in their class. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;ray &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;17229.26345&#8230;@stjhmc.fidonet.org&gt; <a href="mailto:STEVE.POS...@f106.n207.z1.fidonet.org">STEVE.POS&#8230;@f106.n207.z1.fidonet.org</a> (STEVE POSSON) writes: <br /> 
<p>&gt;Ray, be a little more critical of where your information is comming from. Your <br /> &gt;health food store is in the business of selling their product. They have no <br /> &gt;responsibility to their customers except to keep them happy and keep themselves <br /> &gt;in the black and out of court. The FDA will play it safe for the most part, in <br /> &gt;matters of the kind we are talking about. When in doubt, talk to a competent <br /> &gt;medical professional that has your interests at heart. <br /> &gt;-=-SP  </p>
<p>&gt;Uucp: &#8230;{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!asuvax!stjhmc!207!106!STEVE.POSSON <br /> &gt;Internet: <a href="mailto:STEVE.POS...@f106.n207.z1.fidonet.org">STEVE.POS&#8230;@f106.n207.z1.fidonet.org</a> </p>
<p>My doctor recommended I take between 1 and 2 grams a day if I felt depressed. <br /> This was exactly three weeks before the tryptophane scare made the headlines. <br /> My doctor now says don&#8217;t take it. &nbsp;Things can flip-flop back and forth <br /> pretty dramatically no matter who you talk to. &nbsp;So when in doubt, talk to <br /> a competent medical professional&#8230;..and then pray that they are right or that <br /> they know what is going on or that they didn&#8217;t graduate last in their class.  </p>
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  A breakthrough? &lt;br /&gt; An article in today&#039;s paper said that researchers believed they&#039;ve narrowed &lt;br /&gt; the source of the tryptophane causing the disease to a single manufacturer &lt;br /&gt; in Japan. &#160; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;ray &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A breakthrough? <br /> An article in today&#8217;s paper said that researchers believed they&#8217;ve narrowed <br /> the source of the tryptophane causing the disease to a single manufacturer <br /> in Japan. &nbsp; <br /> 
<p>ray </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt; .COM (Steve Dyer) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt;All the cases of eosinophilia have been associated with &lt;br /&gt; &gt; single-entity &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt;tryptophan supplements, and NOT with foods or protein &lt;br /&gt; &gt; supplements. &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt;Why should the store give you your money back? &#160;Protein &lt;br /&gt; &gt; powder hasn&#039;t &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt;been removed from the market, any more than powdered milk &lt;br /&gt; &gt; has been. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; The GNC health food stores pulled a brand of protein powder &lt;br /&gt; &gt; off the shelf &lt;br /&gt; &gt; just last December. &#160;So with this in mind, it is apparent &lt;br /&gt; &gt; that that &lt;br /&gt; &gt; particular brand of protein powder was deemed unsafe. &#160;You &lt;br /&gt; &gt; should not state &lt;br /&gt; &gt; something unless you are sure. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;For the most part, health food stores are highly motivated by profit and &lt;br /&gt; staying out of court. They are less motivated by a concern for the health of &lt;br /&gt; their customers. &lt;br /&gt; -=-SP &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt;Of course, there&#039;s the question of why you&#039;re wasting your &lt;br /&gt; &gt; money &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt;on such useless things. &#160;But it&#039;s not a health issue. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt;Steve Dyer &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; The benefits of protien powder is not considered useless by &lt;br /&gt; &gt; everyone. &#160;If this &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&quot;Everyone&quot; does not have extensive training in nutrition, biochemistry and &lt;br /&gt; medicine. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; were so, then the workout books I have would not be &lt;br /&gt; &gt; reccommending &lt;br /&gt; &gt; such products. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Is that so? Since when is a workout book considered a reliable source for &lt;br /&gt; medical information? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; What is very clear, and should be to you as well, is that no &lt;br /&gt; &gt; one knows &lt;br /&gt; &gt; what is happening with tryptophane. &#160;The FDA people I talked &lt;br /&gt; &gt; with about the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; protein powder suggested I not use it anymore. &#160;And they are &lt;br /&gt; &gt; thinking about &lt;br /&gt; &gt; a recall order for the protein powders as well. &#160;At least &lt;br /&gt; &gt; this is what I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; was told by the FDA office in Buffalo, N.Y. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; ray &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Ray, be a little more critical of where your information is comming from. Your &lt;br /&gt; health food store is in the business of selling their product. They have no &lt;br /&gt; responsibility to their customers except to keep them happy and keep themselves &lt;br /&gt; in the black and out of court. The FDA will play it safe for the most part, in &lt;br /&gt; matters of the kind we are talking about. When in doubt, talk to a competent &lt;br /&gt; medical professional that has your interests at heart. &lt;br /&gt; -=-SP &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- &#160; &lt;br /&gt; Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!asuvax!stjhmc!207!106!STEVE.POSSON &lt;br /&gt; Internet: STEVE.POS...@f106.n207.z1.fidonet.org &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt; .COM (Steve Dyer) writes: <br /> &gt;&gt;All the cases of eosinophilia have been associated with <br /> &gt; single-entity <br /> 
<p>&gt;&gt;tryptophan supplements, and NOT with foods or protein <br /> &gt; supplements. <br /> &gt;&gt;Why should the store give you your money back? &nbsp;Protein <br /> &gt; powder hasn&#8217;t <br /> &gt;&gt;been removed from the market, any more than powdered milk <br /> &gt; has been.  </p>
<p>&gt; The GNC health food stores pulled a brand of protein powder <br /> &gt; off the shelf <br /> &gt; just last December. &nbsp;So with this in mind, it is apparent <br /> &gt; that that <br /> &gt; particular brand of protein powder was deemed unsafe. &nbsp;You <br /> &gt; should not state <br /> &gt; something unless you are sure. </p>
<p>For the most part, health food stores are highly motivated by profit and <br /> staying out of court. They are less motivated by a concern for the health of <br /> their customers. <br /> -=-SP  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Of course, there&#8217;s the question of why you&#8217;re wasting your <br /> &gt; money <br /> &gt;&gt;on such useless things. &nbsp;But it&#8217;s not a health issue.  </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Steve Dyer  </p>
<p>&gt; The benefits of protien powder is not considered useless by <br /> &gt; everyone. &nbsp;If this </p>
<p>&quot;Everyone&quot; does not have extensive training in nutrition, biochemistry and <br /> medicine.  </p>
<p>&gt; were so, then the workout books I have would not be <br /> &gt; reccommending <br /> &gt; such products. </p>
<p>Is that so? Since when is a workout book considered a reliable source for <br /> medical information?  </p>
<p>&gt; What is very clear, and should be to you as well, is that no <br /> &gt; one knows <br /> &gt; what is happening with tryptophane. &nbsp;The FDA people I talked <br /> &gt; with about the <br /> &gt; protein powder suggested I not use it anymore. &nbsp;And they are <br /> &gt; thinking about <br /> &gt; a recall order for the protein powders as well. &nbsp;At least <br /> &gt; this is what I <br /> &gt; was told by the FDA office in Buffalo, N.Y.  </p>
<p>&gt; ray </p>
<p>Ray, be a little more critical of where your information is comming from. Your <br /> health food store is in the business of selling their product. They have no <br /> responsibility to their customers except to keep them happy and keep themselves <br /> in the black and out of court. The FDA will play it safe for the most part, in <br /> matters of the kind we are talking about. When in doubt, talk to a competent <br /> medical professional that has your interests at heart. <br /> -=-SP  </p>
<p>&#8211; &nbsp; <br /> Uucp: &#8230;{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!asuvax!stjhmc!207!106!STEVE.POSSON <br /> Internet: <a href="mailto:STEVE.POS...@f106.n207.z1.fidonet.org">STEVE.POS&#8230;@f106.n207.z1.fidonet.org</a> </p>
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  In article &lt;16974.262DC...@stjhmc.fidonet.org&gt; Stephen.Risik.Of.100/...@f514.n100.z1.fidonet.org (Stephen Risik Of 100/514) writes: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt;OK Mr. Educated Medical Consumer, answer this one: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160;You have a very sore throat and fever of 102 F. &#160;Which drug should you &lt;br /&gt; &gt;take? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt;A. Tetracycline &lt;br /&gt; &gt;B. Chloramphenicol &lt;br /&gt; &gt;C. Penicillin G &lt;br /&gt; &gt;D. Penicillin VK &lt;br /&gt; &gt;E. Erythromycin &lt;br /&gt; &gt;F. Sulfatrim &lt;br /&gt; &gt;G. PEN-V-K &lt;br /&gt; &gt;H. Suprax &lt;br /&gt; &gt;I. Duracef &lt;br /&gt; &gt;J. Ampicillin &lt;br /&gt; &gt;K. Clindamycin &lt;br /&gt; &gt;L. Tobrex &lt;br /&gt; &gt;M. Gentamycin &lt;br /&gt; &gt;N. Viroptic &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;None of the above. &#160;You need to see your doctor to find out if &lt;br /&gt; you have a bacterial infection for which antibiotics would be &lt;br /&gt; appropriate. &#160;Dosing yourself when you don&#039;t know what you &lt;br /&gt; are dealing with is foolish. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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<p>&gt;OK Mr. Educated Medical Consumer, answer this one: <br /> 
<p>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;You have a very sore throat and fever of 102 F. &nbsp;Which drug should you <br /> &gt;take?  </p>
<p>&gt;A. Tetracycline <br /> &gt;B. Chloramphenicol <br /> &gt;C. Penicillin G <br /> &gt;D. Penicillin VK <br /> &gt;E. Erythromycin <br /> &gt;F. Sulfatrim <br /> &gt;G. PEN-V-K <br /> &gt;H. Suprax <br /> &gt;I. Duracef <br /> &gt;J. Ampicillin <br /> &gt;K. Clindamycin <br /> &gt;L. Tobrex <br /> &gt;M. Gentamycin <br /> &gt;N. Viroptic </p>
<p>None of the above. &nbsp;You need to see your doctor to find out if <br /> you have a bacterial infection for which antibiotics would be <br /> appropriate. &nbsp;Dosing yourself when you don&#8217;t know what you <br /> are dealing with is foolish. </p>
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